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Greenore 18y

Postby Malt-Teaser » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:43 pm

I just searched the forum and have seen that a few people have listed Greenore 18y as an anticipated release this year.

Well, I just received an advance sample today and will probably review it this evening, tomorrow at the latest.
I'll update you on how it is, but so far I haven't found a Greenore that I didn't like so I'm well looking forward to it.

Malty

Edit: In fact I'll probably also include a review of this Connemara first small batch (sherry) that I managed to find a sample of.
Yes, I know it's not a genuine H2H or good comparison, but I can't resist a brace of Cooley's when they're sitting on my desk, looking temptingly at me and shouting "me, me, me ....." :D
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby TheWhiskeyBro » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:06 pm

Latest I've heard is that the Greenore 18yo could be released as early as next week in Dublin.
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby Malt-Teaser » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:00 pm

I've just spoken to Oliver (OliKli) and he has a sample too so we will both review it live this evening via twitter, 8.30 to 9pm -ish our time, or 7.30 to 8pm Ireland & UK time. Join us if you like but I'll give a link to my notes here when I have them online which may be tonight, otherwise during tomorrow.
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby JohnM » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:23 pm

I tasted an 18 yr old from the cask at Kilbeggan. Lots and lots and lots of banana.
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby Malt-Teaser » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:41 pm

Funny you should say that John, I just got lots of fruit with a suggestion of banana.

Only just finished tasting it and here are my notes:
http://www.whisky-emporium.com/UK/ActualTastingNotes/Cooley.htm#Green18y


Just for the record, I followed it with the Connemara small batch #1 (Sherry):
http://www.whisky-emporium.com/UK/ActualTastingNotes/Cooley.htm#Con-SF

I can't say mich other than I like it, but it's basically a straight cocktail of peat, sherry and manure :lol:


For those who like to see points, I awarded the Greenore 83-84 which may not seem much to some, but I'm notoriously stingy wihth my points and this is really a good score!
As for the Connemara, a point less, 82-83.
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby TheWhiskeyBro » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:49 pm

Well done Malty... when I tried this from straight the cask three things hit me instantly, syrupy, exotic fruit & bananas!!! hmmmm, yum!
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby whiskypete » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:47 pm

I have just recieved a sample of this as well and hope to be reviewing it tonight - although supoosed to be having a curry for tea so may not do my tasting tonight!

Any way as a relative novice to Irish Whiskey I thought I would come to the right place for some answers? Am I right in thinking that Grain distillation is a relatively new thing in Ireland? I read a book that was published in the 70's last night on whisky and it stated that the Irish had no desire for creating blended whisky? Is this correct or was the book wrong?

Apppreciate your thoughts?

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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby IrishWhiskeyChaser » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:25 pm

whiskypete wrote:Am I right in thinking that Grain distillation is a relatively new thing in Ireland? I read a book that was published in the 70's last night on whisky and it stated that the Irish had no desire for creating blended whisky? Is this correct or was the book wrong?


Hi Whiskypete, good question and an interesting one ... the Answer is yes and no ... Yes, the Irish had no major desire to blend their whiskey but this thinking was the reserve of the bigger names. John Jameson, John Powers, G.O Roe, William Jameson, Lockes, Tullamore, Bushmills, Coleraine and Old Comber are only a few who prefered to produce a pure unblended whiskey, these being the big names in Potstill and Single Malt whiskey in Ireland. However as soon as Coffey invented and Patented his still not all Irish producers ignored it and there is evidence that Coffey's patent still was installed in several Northern distilleries with at least one being soley a grain distillery. In Derry, Watts who created the Tryconnell Whiskey installed their Coffey Still in 1833 just 3 years after it was Patented and Dunvilles did similar as did a Distillery called Avoniel which was specifically a grain distillery set up in 1882 and closed in 1929.

The reason you might not thiink grain had any influence on Irish Whiskey is probably because the big pure pot still/single malt boys refused to "adulturate" their whiskey with this "silent" spirit as they saw it. It was not until the near collapse of the Irish whiskey industry after WWII that the remaining few had to turn to creating blends purely just to survive. Of what we have left now Tullamore Dew was one of the first to go with blending in the 1950's and Jameson & Powers followed in the late 60's or early 70's.

However early grain distilling was not just In the north as in the far south we had Midleton which was part of the already merged Cork Distillers Company (CDC) and they had 2 distillerys in the fold called The North Mall (Wises Whiskey)
Watercourse (Hewitts Whiskey) where there is evidence to say they had grain distilling since at least the 1860's. So as you can see grain distilling was in widespread use but the big international players did not go for it until it was too late. Hope this helps ... if you have a copy of Barnards book you should be able to read more.
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby TheWhiskeyBro » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:00 pm

Cheers IWC, a thoughtful and well written summary of the history of irish grain distilling.

You also had Connswater in Belfast (1886-1929), The Green Distillery in Cork (1796-1870) which used a forerunner of the Coffey Still,
Indeed Coleraine distillery (then part of Bushmills) installed a coffey still in 1954 to supply grain for the Bushmills blends Original & Black Bush.
Dundalk distillery (1708-1926) also had a coffey still by the 1880s.

Tullamore installed at coffey still in 1948,which can be seen today in Kilbeggan distillery and it may be even be put back into use in the very near future.

Other distilleries included the Belfast distillery and Dublin's Dodder Bank one of the first to use a coffey still.
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Re: Greenore 18y

Postby whiskypete » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:07 am

Thanks for your speedy and intelligent feedback - I will certainly be using this site a lot more from now on. Just shows you that just because it is in a book doesn't mean it is correct!
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