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2009 midleton very rare

Postby Monty » Wed Feb 03, 2016 10:50 am

Hi All
I am looking to purchase a full bottle of 2009 midleton very rare, complete with wooden box and cert.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby COD » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:13 pm

Hi
What are the guide prices on a 2009 MVR?
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Good Whiskey Hunting » Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:07 am

I seen them sell for €155 to €600. A realistic price of €350 is fair. It will appreciate faster because it's rarer than the 2007/8/10
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby IrishWhiskeyChaser » Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:19 pm

Not sure I'd fully agree with that GWh ....

You are probably getting your valuation from auctions which is the way to go but as we all know these prices can be very volatile.

However, I usually take a very considered view of collectablity, unlike the Irish Whiskey industry who feel that any usage of the word limited is an excuse to charge over the odds for their whiskey.

For me, It is quite a dangerous way to market your whiskey as in Ten years time we're going to have any amount of "Collectable" whiskey on the market with all the newer Distilleries coming on line. I see very little in the way of Brand building by many enterprises so far and the current emphasis seems to be with "Limited" this and "Exclusive" that or "Premium" this and "Superior Quality" that. Ironically the often maligned West Cork Distillers are one of the few trying to build a brand with a proper range of offerings at fairly decent price points.

But I digress ;-) :P

Yes the 2009 is rarer than most other Midletons but it is still a very recent Bottling and they are not as rare as they are made out.

We have no idea how many Midletons are released each year. However we have been given various clues of what that can been. 50 hand selected casks between 12 -25 years (and these we know are all bourbon casks so circa 200-250 L casks.). Take an average of 18.5years However I'm sure there are more younger ones than older ones so if I took a mean the IWS very own 17year old per cask it gives us a ball park guide.

The Irish Whiskey Society Midleton Cask was 17years and 8mths when bottled @ 55.2 yielding 204 bottles. This I believe would equate to circa 280 bottles @ 40% abv.

So taking an average of 280 bottles per cask for Midleton at 50 casks we have a limited run of circa 14000 bottles.

Even if the production was halved that still makes for a very decent batch of 7000 "Limited" bottles. This is pure supposition by the way as I have no idea really but I would estimate they did not slash it less than that as the Christmas period is always the biggest selling time for Whiskey especially for gifting and the last 3 months of the year can amount to 80-90% of total sales for Permium whiskey such as Midleton for gifting at this time which in one way shows why a smaller batch sold out quickly. However it is the gifting of Midleton which makes it such a bottling that has a habit of being put at the back of the cabinette to resurface in forums like this years later. We still see older Midleton still popping up regularly as people now realise they maybe worth a few quid.

However, Lets put it into context .... from a collectablity point of view ...

Man o Lamh was limited to 2000 bottles and really was bought by people in the know ... aficionados and collectors but took nearly a year to sell out.
This to me show that the collectors market in Irish Whiskey is far from matured to the likes of Scotch Single Malt Collecting as if this was a top Scotch it would have sold out in a week.

I agree Midleton 2009 will be a very desired collectible in years to come but in my opinion it is too early and is still a very common bottling and I would place it in the 200-250 range max.

I suppose my point is that collectors especially but also aficionados or just drinkers of quality whiskey need to be aware of marketing hype and the drip feed effect of so called limited bottles over the reality of supply.

If you can get €350 for the bottle great I would never knock someone doing well out of it but also be very aware that supply and demand on such bottling can change from month to month where one may see huge returns and another may see only near cost price returns. Very much down to luck and serious collectors should know to be patient and not rush to find that elusive bottling when we know there is still the possibility of thousands of them out there.


Just my slant by the way so I'd be curious what others thought :thumbsup:
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Raven » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:08 am

Much rarer --- it wasn't for sale that Christmas. They sold the 2010 instead. A shop I
know was allocated just two bottles at the time which for them was a tiny allocation.
One of the reasons afterwards said was that most of the allocation that year of 2009
which is rubbish and of course nearly impossible to check. My belief is that in making
up the year and keeping numbers small you created 'talk' or demand in the market for
those collecting. Like the elusive soccer card etc. you need to complete the set and which
is nearly impossible to get.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Anjinsan » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:42 am

I agree with Raven, 2009 is so hard to get compared to other years.

One went recently online for £600 which is around €770 I suppose. There is one for sale right now on irishwhiskeyshop.com for around €1,400 I think. Might sound mad but as someone said above, if you need it to fill out your collection then...

Met a guy this week who has a mint condition 2002 - he wanted €2,000 for it - good luck to him!

BTW, I have a couple of 2005s for sale. If anyone is interested please PM me. Also have a 2001 (no box, no cert & invite) - am trying to get a box for it. If anyone interested in that one please PM me also.

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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby IrishWhiskeyChaser » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:46 pm

Yes, I understand both of your reasoning but I'm still very unsure as unfortunately it is all anecdotal on numbers as we've nothing concrete direct from IDL.

Also for such a rare bottle there has been 3 bottles advertised here in 4 months, possibly more than any other Midleton. Obviously could be just coincidence but such activity always makes me think there are more of them than we realise.

Therefore in such cases as this, is it us as collectors that create the market if we decide it is very rare and in doing so creating a bigger demand.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Raven » Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:02 am

In this case personally I am happy that this is the case. Google the archives
of whisky auction.com --I do not believe they ever sold one and I know I
never saw one in CWS unless they acquired one recently. In any event I
Think we can be satisfied that IDL will not be clarifying anytime soon.
Most forum members have the cop-on I would hope to make the judgement
call themselves rather than allow a marketing co. tell us that a new release is
'rare and collectible' as we see increasingly.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby IrishWhiskeyChaser » Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:41 am

Cool, good to thrash these things out even just to give clarity or as much clarity as we possibly can in such cases. :thumbsup:
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby thaitrieu3 » Fri May 05, 2017 4:02 am

Hi,

Did you ever find your midleton very rare 2009?
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Good Whiskey Hunting » Fri May 05, 2017 7:04 pm

thaitrieu3 wrote:Hi,

Did you ever find your midleton very rare 2009?


I was well off with my estimate at the time. They were trading for €700+ by the end of summer. They now go for excess of €800 regularly.
I wish I known that they were so rare at the time.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby thaitrieu3 » Sat May 06, 2017 5:07 am

I have one, just wondering how much it's worth. Thanks!
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Good Whiskey Hunting » Sat May 06, 2017 2:03 pm

You could sell it on auction. I've seen them getting great prices on Whiskyauctioneer. Check commissions for selling. There's a few other option too.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby WhisKee » Sun May 07, 2017 7:50 pm

I got one last week for £250 at the https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... 4e00e53823

they had 3 2009's going.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby midletonman » Wed May 10, 2017 9:42 am

You bought one for £250 at that auction?? There were only two 2009's at that auction one went for £600 and the other £480. The full list of results for that auction can be found here, lots 32 to lot 60. https://www.peterwilson.co.uk/results/?a=74
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Good Whiskey Hunting » Wed May 10, 2017 11:37 am

midletonman wrote:You bought one for £250 at that auction?? There were only two 2009's at that auction one went for £600 and the other £480. The full list of results for that auction can be found here, lots 32 to lot 60. https://www.peterwilson.co.uk/results/?a=74


Great price WhisKee. Thank for the link to the results Midletonman. I'd lost the info.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby IrishWhiskeyChaser » Wed May 10, 2017 4:28 pm

The auction Date mentioned by Whiskee is 26th April and there were a multitude of Midletons sold on the day here is the list.

Lot 32: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1984 - 75cl Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1984 - 75cl ... Sold for 850 GBP
Lot 33: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1992 Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1992 - 700ml number 0199 ... Sold for 500 GBP
Lot 34: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1993 Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1993 - 750ml number ... Sold for 500 GBP
Lot 35: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1994 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1994 - 700ml ... Sold for 400 GBP
Lot 36: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1995 - 750ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1995 - 750ml ... Sold for 420 GBP
Lot 37: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1996 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1996 - 700ml ... Sold for 340 GBP
Lot 38: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1997 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1997 - 700ml ... Sold for 360 GBP
Lot 39: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1999 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 1999 - 700ml ... Sold for 380 GBP
Lot 40: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2000 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2000 - 700ml ... Sold for 300 GBP
Lot 41: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2001 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2001 - 700ml ... Sold for 260 GBP
Lot 42: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2002 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2002 - 700ml ... Sold for 380 GBP
Lot 43: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2003 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2003 - 700ml ... Sold for 340 GBP
Lot 44: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2003 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2003 - 700ml ... Sold for 360 GBP
Lot 45: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2004 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2004 - 700ml ... Sold for 240 GBP
Lot 46: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2005 Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2005 - 700ml number ... Sold for 220 GBP
Lot 47: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2005 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2005 - 700ml ... Sold for 220 GBP
Lot 48: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2007 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2007 - 700ml ... Sold for 220 GBP
Lot 49: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2008 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2008 - 700ml ... Sold for 200 GBP
Lot 50: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2008 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2008 - 700ml ... Sold for 170 GBP
Lot 51: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2009 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2009 - 700ml ... Sold for 600 GBP
Lot 52: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2009 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2009 - 700ml ... Sold for 460 GBP
Lot 53: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2010 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2010 - 700ml ... Sold for 260 GBP
Lot 54: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2011 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2011 - 700ml ... Sold for 220 GBP
Lot 55: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2012 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2012 - 700ml ... Sold for 160 GBP
Lot 56: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2013 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2013 - 700ml ... Sold for 170 GBP
Lot 57: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2013 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2013 - 700ml ... Sold for 170 GBP
Lot 58: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2014 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2014 - 700ml ... Sold for 160 GBP
Lot 59: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2015 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2015 - 700ml ... Sold for 130 GBP
Lot 60: Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2016 - 700ml Midleton Very Rare Irish Whiskey - 2016 - 700ml ... Sold for 120 GBP

Lot 61: Midleton Single Cask Irish Whiskey - 1995 - 700ml Midleton Single Cask Irish Whiskey - 1995 - 700ml ... Sold for 300 GBP
Lot 62: Midleton Barry Crockett Legacy Single Pot Still Midleton Barry Crockett Legacy Single Pot Still ... Sold for 110 GBP
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby thaitrieu3 » Sat May 13, 2017 3:29 am

Thank you for the info!

Was wondering if I ever wanted to auction it, how much it would bring in.
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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby joshuaapow » Sat May 13, 2017 7:23 am

Hey there,

If anyone has a 2009 very rare, I would love to take it off your hands. A very good friend of mine had a 2009 at his wedding that year and drank some with his dad at the birth of his three daughters and he would really like to get a new bottle to put away since his is nearly gone. I would love to be able to make this happen for him, so if anyone has one to sell, please let me know :)

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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby Anjinsan » Wed May 17, 2017 8:01 pm

Hi all,

It looks like I might be getting in an MVR 2009 fairly soon, all going well I should have it in the next week or so. Boxed, cert, invite etc - all present and correct.

If anyone is interested in it please PM - only with genuine interest/ offers.

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Re: 2009 midleton very rare

Postby thaitrieu3 » Thu May 18, 2017 3:42 pm

Anjinsan,

What are you looking to sell it for?
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